I was reading Tom Ascol’s new blog and saw his post on the baptistfire.org website. Aside from its rather sad ripoff of ‘The Drudge Report’, it’s also basically just a big anti-reformed screed masquerading as a religious news site. It is, really, quite a sad display.
What’s really interesting is reading the terms of use.
Pro-Calvinism posts are prohibited
BaptistFire Community is designed as a safe haven for like-minded Baptists who agree with the doctrinal statement found on our home page masthead. Posts which promote Calvinism are therefore prohibited.
I include this only because I’m sure it’ll draw the attention of any that think to post on some of the threads I link to here. It’s well within their rights to make this request. Indeed, in the chat channel I participate in, while we generally allow more reasoned debate than this does, we do reserve the right to restrict discussions to those that are profitable or edifying. It is not a forum that is there for the promulgation of false doctrines. We do not allow roman catholics and mormons to come in and turn it into a forum for preaching their false gospel. So, while we would be more charitable towards those in this forum who came to our channel than they obviously would be towards us even in their TOU in their forum, I do not begrudge them the right to make such restructions.
I do however think it reveals a lot about their inability to handle reasoned discussion on the issue, or exegetical debate. Otherwise they would at least provide an alternate forum in which to have discussions. Indeed, if we were lost, teaching a false gospel and a false god, is it not incumbant upon them to do what they can to reach us?
Number One Rule of BaptistFire Community
This is a bulletin board by Baptists and for Baptists. All users of this bulletin board are expected to follow the commands of the New Testament. Especially appropriate here at BaptistFire Community are “And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted …” (Eph. 4:32), and “thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself” (Mat. 22:39).
This one is a good rule. Of course, then in the very first thread I visit I see these posts from the webmaster:
The below quote is from the article. Anyone notice any similarities between the fatalism of Islam and five-point Calvinism?
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But it provides a perfect illustration of how much explaining it takes for a Calvinist to get his point across. He could have just come out and said it: God wants them to go to hell. God could have saved them but he doesn’t love them. He wants them to burn in hell forever.
This last was in response to a post that was, beginning to end, nothing but a passage from a sermon by Spurgeon, in response to the claim that Spurgeon was not a calvinist.
I dunno…I guess that ‘love your neighbor’ includes samaritans, but not us nasty calvinists.
A few brave souls spoke up admonishing others that in the same way that their beliefs are often misrepresented, so are ours, and to lump us in with fatalistic hypercalvinists is wrong, etc. I would like to note here again, as I did in my first post on that site, my appreciation for those folks who make the effort to demonstrate such character.
Well, being who I am, I couldn’t let this pass. So, I asked a question. I reproduce it here, because it was promptly deleted, despite being a question about their faith, and not a defense of calvinism per se.
Webmaster, you malign calvinists for believing that God in His justice condemns some to hell that He could have saved. I’m curious to know how your own position handles that accusation.
I may be assuming too much here, but from your site I assume that you are a conservative baptist. That you probably believe the scriptures are inerrant, and that God is all knowing, and all powerful. That you would concur with the scriptures when they say that with God, nothing is impossible.
So, lets assume your position on things, that through whatever method you believe, that man has to participate in his salvation, and must make a free and conscious choice to serve him. (I hope I’m not mischaracterizing your position on this, I’m trying to keep it general)
Given that you believe God knows all things, he knows that in the manner of his choices in creation that billions are going to reject him, and thus spend eternity in hell correct?
So in choosing to give man free will, not just now, but in the garden as well, has he not willingly condemned them to an eternity of torment when he could have saved them?